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This is too much to resist.

 

I'm sure everyone is aware of the US presidential race. Hiliary Clinton is currently in the lead to become the head of the Democrats. And, to the chagrin of many Americans, Donald Trump is in the lead to become the head of the Republicans.

 

I know there are a lot of Republican supporters in our membership. What do you guys think of Trump?

 

The funny thing for us Canadians, other than listening for the next insane thing he's going to say, is that some Americans are saying that if Trump is elected president, they are going to move to Canada. Now we see this every four years, but we seem to be getting a lot more enquiries this time. Some entertainment types have stated that they will leave the States if he is elected.

 

As a joke, a guy in Cape Breton started a web site called If Trump Wins. It was meant to show what Cape Breton had to offer if Americans wanted to emigrate. The site has had thousands of hits, if not millions. CNN even sent a news crew to Cape Breton. That's probably just curiosity and entertainment, but even the immigration office has had a flood of calls asking about what's involved.

 

I think that Trump would discover that all his bluster and bullying tactics would be a waste of time if he became president. It certainly wouldn't help the US's relationship with the rest of the world.

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Even though part of me would pay good money to see the look on Trump's face when he realizes that the president can't actually do as they please, the idea that he could possibly be voted for by anyone makes me a sad Ama.  He's a terrifying bigoted sociopath.

 

For God's sake - Ben Stein dislikes him!  The creationist and former speechwriter for NIXON finds this man distasteful! 

 

So, in the meantime, Trump jokes!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

 

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(Fun note!  Those last two were from 1989!)

 

And finally:  I think I fought Trump in Diablo 3 tonight.

 

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I won.

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Given the alternatives available on the Democrat side of things, this is a no-brainer for me. Letting one of those two become president would be an unmitigated disaster.

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I'd be more worried about it if the Dems win. Trump didn't become a billionaire by being stupid the way the media is trying to portray it.

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He inherited a good portion of that money from his father. And real estate is still a sound investment. There's also no question the guy knows how to market his name. He gets paid millions to put his name on buildings built by others. But I wouldn't trust the man to manage a country.

 

Until the Republicans come up with a sensible leader, I think the Democrats are going to continue to be elected. Even the Republican party has an "anybody but Trump" campaign.

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He inherited a good portion of that money from his father. And real estate is still a sound investment. There's also no question the guy knows how to market his name. He gets paid millions to put his name on buildings built by others. But I wouldn't trust the man to manage a country.

 

Until the Republicans come up with a sensible leader, I think the Democrats are going to continue to be elected. Even the Republican party has an "anybody but Trump" campaign.

Whether he inherited it or not isn't really material - he's grown it quite nicely and will have plenty left to pass on to his children.

 

The reason the Republicans are so scare of him is precisely because of all that money. He's self-funding his campaign. They can't buy him off the way they've done with the rest of the field. The establishment is in full panic mode now. Their only real hope is to force a brokered convention, but I think that would backfire on them just like every other attack they've tried has.

 

As far as sensible leaders, please do let me know if the Democrats ever get such a thing :P

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Personally, I feel as though no one that is running should have the job, regardless of party. They're either hotheads, overemotional, or behave like schoolchildren. As far as I can tell, it's a damed if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

 

However, I can say one thing: I think Trump would be the worst person to take the job: he's too much like a fascist. His proposal to keep certain ethnic groups out of the country is just plain wrong and goes against basic human rights.

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q5mLjKI968g

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When one is even scarier than the Koch brothers, being self-funded isn't much of a comfort.

 

But honestly, I think that if Trump wins, he'll implode the first time someone tells him no.  Which will happen...roughly an hour into his presidency.  He's not good with being told no.  But he's being supported by other people who aren't good with being told no.  So...it's fair?

 

Because you totally want a president who's represented by a lawyer who thinks spousal rape is legal and impossible anyway.  Yep.

 

And I'm back to making jokes now because the alternative is terrified rage.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQyTpPu0gvc

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Party politics aside, what is it about Clinton that you don't like?

Her socialist policies. I mean, at least Sanders admits what he is, and both of them are doing nothing more than wanting to continue with Obama's destructive policies that have led us this far toward the brink of ruin.

 

I'm not saying Trump is the best choice. I'm just acknowledging the reality that he'll be the ONLY choice once he's secured the nomination.

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Her and Obama's policies are FAR from Socialist. Gad, we've had an NDP provincial government. I know what socialist is.

 

I know you don't want the social safety net, but it isn't the road to financial ruin. We're far more socialist than you guys could ever be and our economy is strong. Having global health care helps get the poor out of their lot, which makes for less crime. I know Americans that pay $400/mth for health insurance. We could never afford that.

 

I'm not going to convince you. I will be quite keen to see what happens to your economy if a Republican does win. It sounds like you'll waste money building walls and your military.

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So...basically, better a racist, sexist rapist who's declared bankruptcy several times and is currently being sued for running a diploma mill scam that was designed to harm the middle class than a possible socialist because...it's a better idea to send money to Trump than to send it to people below the poverty line.  They asked to be treated like shit when they were born there.  Only people born into millions deserve our money and tax breaks.  They're clearly the hardest workers.

 

And those damn kids deserve their crippling dept for going to college!  Those socialist nations that are...um...doing amazingly better than the US in all areas clearly don't know how to treat their students with free education that's basically investing in the future.  Much better to destroy their credit rating and ability to survive.

 

...

 

Okay, seriously.  Is there anything good that's anti-socialist other than "I, the older generation, have lower taxes!  Screw you kids!"

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Posts like the above are why I usually stay out of these things. I'm sorry, but you sound like the Daily Kos and we have enough Daily Kos rhetoric out there already.

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Ama is being sarcastic, but bowing out doesn't help explain your point of view.

 

I got my university degree as a result of government financial assistance, so I appreciate the need for social assistance. Having said that, I don't support unions or welfare for the able bodied. I'm a financial conservative, in Canadian terms. :lmao:

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Trump wants to live the dream right? He says the American Dream is dead. Maybe it is... to him.

But living the dream is always the journey, not the destination, and there are plenty who do not think Trump's journey warrants the destination (whatever that is. Ask Obama)

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From a far south foreign perspective, this entire thing looks like the sad logical extreme of what happens when parties reduce their purposes to beating each other at all costs, wielding ideals as excuses rather than foundations and letting administration come fairly low in the priority list. It takes some digging to get anything concrete on candidate's proposals and gauge their worth with any degree of objectivity, in no small part because partisan media establishment on both sides is caking on layer after layer of demonization of their opposition and hagiographies about the candidates they're aligned with or even support through donations from their managing companies.

 

I've amassed a modicum of respect for Bernie Sanders, whom I mainly noticed due to the sheer amount of effort gone into getting people to dismiss him. I still find it hard to believe he'd accomplish much, as all indicates he would either be stonewalled at every proposal for the hell of it or carry himself in an idealistic enough way that no one would pick up the pattern. Every other candidate has left me feeling less intelligent simply from learning about them or their campaign.

 

These words don't come easily, but it's as if Argentina had gone through a more reasonable election than the USA are about to. Yes, one of the candidates was handpicked by a demagogue pinnacle of Bolivarian style corruption implied in more abuses of power than you could fit in a year's worth of trials, but that party's reign of idiocy was broken.

 

Edit: I realize, in retrospect, how arrogant/deep into the spectrum this must make me seem, but Trump was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The camel being my countenance. I can see his use as a spanner to throw into the works of the mainstream media smearing engine and the establishment of both parties at once, but I can't imagine the collateral damage being containable to just that.

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Yes in all this fiasco, I have no idea what each candidate's platform is, if they even have one. Even Trump hasn't said anything substantial other than he'll get Mexico to pay for the wall and that will somehow fix the US's economy. :shrug:

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Party politics aside, what is it about Clinton that you don't like?

She's not an actual politician. She's just a corporate shell that does the bidding of whoever pays the most.

 

I suppose it's worth mentioning that I'm a Sanders supporter. None of the options are great. He's the only reasonable choice, in my opinion.

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From what I understand of Sanders' platform, he's a socialist even by Canadian standards. Very good for the elderly and poor, but bad for the working class and stimulating the economy. He would probably have to cut military spending and raise taxes to finance it. That wouldn't be popular.

 

After watching the news tonight, I got an amusing perspective on all this. We had someone a lot like Trump as Mayor of Toronto. His name is Rob Ford and I voted for him. He was good for the city. He was conservative and he lived by his political ideals personally. His budgets were always the lowest and he never spent excessively, even before he was mayor. Unfortunately the rest of the council were a bunch of socialist idiots. He managed to privatize the garbage collection in the west half of the city, but couldn't get it done in the east. Fortunately I'm in the west half of the city. Our garbage collection is much cheaper and far more reliable. It's not a bunch of union bastards who do everything they can to avoid actually doing their jobs. Our garbage gets picked up even if it isn't in precisely the correct container.

 

Unfortunately Rob did some pretty stupid stuff. He did drugs and hung out with drug dealers and criminals. Pretty easy fodder for people to pick on and rather embarrassing for the city. His brother, Doug Ford, predicts that Donald Trump will become President of the US.

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